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    Default Revisiting the Holographic Model

    Some months ago, I started to make a case for thinking about holograms and a holographic model of the universe to be juxtaposed with quantum mechanics explanations for RV and PK. Glenn, Michelle, and others were posting interesting ideas about our place with respect to mass, time, dimensions, and so on. I jumped in to say that I backed a holographic paradigm.

    I’d been an adherent of this wave-centric approach for the better part of my life and assumed that it was a well-understood alternative explanation. David Bohm had talked about a holographic universe and Karl Pribram had proposed a holographic model of the brain in the late sixties. Edgar Mitchell even gave a talk on RV and the Quantum Hologram at an early IRVA meeting.

    I had a pretty good personal understanding of the way that things work but I decided to review all of the older material to see who had the best “concise description” that I could offer. I would post some of the best quotes to do my part then go back to get a better grasp of the concepts Glenn and others in the Guild present regularly. Unfortunately, the first holographic universe material was about forty years old and seemed a bit too philosophical to be useful to this group. Around the early eighties, supporting research was there, but the concepts, although never dismissed, slipped out of the mainstream; possibly, the concepts were too convoluted for general consumption. In following years, the holographic paradigm was carried through the general literature, but as I reviewed it to bring up here, I couldn’t help but think “They’re leaving out all of the best parts!”

    Recently, I saw that Brian Greene had a section on the holographic concept in his book, “The Hidden Reality.” I was hopeful that it might contain a concise statement to offer. It wasn’t there and sadly, the entire concept seemed distorted beyond recognition. From what I’ve been reading, I’m not even sure how many people understand what holograms are now, let alone what they might have to do with the way things are.

    I still want to offer this idea as a useful paradigm, so I’m compelled to present the “holographic approach” from my perspective, in my terms.

    I can make a statement about where this is going, but it may not make much sense until I’ve offered examples. This paradigm provides a platform for what we experience in remote viewing and PK. The paradigm doesn’t contradict quantum mechanics, but contains and explains the characteristics described by quantum mechanics as spooky, uncertain, entangled, and so on. I believe that it also explains some things that we see with remote viewing.

    This will take a few posts. I’m not convinced that there is an ordered way to describe this so I’ll offer a group of items in threads and blogs, non sequiturs, with full knowledge that they’re as likely to evidence insanity as insight. If it’s the former, I apologize in advance for perceiving you as fellow travelers.

    Glenn stated that he believes that thought has mass.

    I think that he is correct. I also think we need to reorient our view on what mass is. My “how could you possibly think that?” proposal as a follow-on is:

    Non-locality works because space isn’t spacious.

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    Default Space, Time, Mass and Observation Interchange in a Wavy Reference System

    Universes exist in a dimensionless field where dimensionless waves interfere and cross correlate to deliver an experience the inhabitants of the universes perceive to be space and time and things.

    The wavelength for a “holographic” universe, at least the aspect that we perceive, is probably half the radial distance between two electron shells. When electrons drop from one shell to the one below it expending energy as a photon, or are excited and move to the next level, they may not be found “in-between” the two shells. They are said to go out of existence and reappear at the adjacent level. With a particle and space defined holographically, the disappearance represents a resolution boundary (akin to a Nyquist boundary) where there isn’t enough wave to characterize the minimal item for an observer comprised of the same wave reference system. The electron hasn’t gone out of existence, the interference pattern that defines the electron can’t resolve it in the reference space. In conjunction with this, the reason that electrons have the smallest mass is because the ability for an observer to resolve “thingness” falls below the resolution of the wave there.

    At the other extreme, because a given holographic universe is itself a static reference system relative to a fixed fundamental wavelength, the reference system defines and limits the apparent behavior of space and motion. The reason that there is a maximum velocity for light (C) is because space itself is defined by the interference pattern.

    Holograms demonstrate a mechanism for creating space and objects virtually. Space is perceived when a like defined reference system intersects the hologram. In our case, C is the reference. Other reference values (limiting speeds different from our C=3.8x10^8m/second) work to resolve universes...just not ours.

    C lays out what distance means, so mass, space, and time aren’t constrained by C, they are constructed by C.

    We have difficulty describing this because we want to depict the solution with propagating waves travelling through space, then travelling through planes of interference patterns in order to define places. The hologram defines space – but there is no space in the field as we think of it, to hold the hologram. The reference system doesn’t require a place to be because things and places to be are the system’s children.

    As Gertrude Stein described Oakland: “There is no there, there.”

  3. Default Aloha Dave...

    Aloha Dave,

    I understand what you mean here and it could well be as you laid out but perhaps we could expand a bit (like the Universe). Let’s step back away from consciousness and consider the Universe unobserved. The sheer scope of the Universe must infinitesimally exceed any consciousness that arises within it so surely consciousness must be an anomaly unless it is a true dimension. I am not on my “Consciousness is a Dimension” soapbox by the way. I say that consciousness is an anomaly because it would not need space or mass per se to exist. So we direct ourselves back to the vastness of the Universe and all of it physicals. Because the amount of mass in the Universe would still be very small in relationship to the space that is infinitely available this Universe is all about the space and not the mass or consciousness.

    Given that all matter in this Universe is part of a single event the possibility of some holographic quality is very real. Space would more than likely be holographically inert with no references because of infinity. In regards to the mass; holographic qualities would be limited to the original holographic structure unless the holography evolved with its mass keeping only references to its most recent state. In theory you would be able to examine a meteorite and recover its origin from its holographic residue.

    I want you to imagine a man in a white coat with very thick glasses speaking at a microphone.

    Hello everyone…bla bla bla … I am Dr. So and So and I have recently discovered that the Universe….. is actually a Wave. Albeit a very big wave we are moving very quickly and there is another wave in front of us and more than likely another wave behind us. I know that there is someplace that we are going because all the mass in our wave came from our destination in the future. Mass is the residue of the cataclysmic collision of waves at the point of destination which is carried back by reflected waves. Mass is achieved when space is compressed by incredible forces we currently do not understand. Because we are in a Wave and we are in fact traveling we must be traveling through a medium which we know nothing about. This medium must be a MasterVerse that is frankly ….less than Space.

    As we get closer to our destination we will begin to see more mass in our wave. The wave in front of us will arrive at its point of resistance or destination and begin to backwash towards us. Even then it will take hundreds of thousands of years before we see the first galaxies heading towards us. Our only protection will be our space and the odds and chance that we will be missed. What we thought was the Big Bang was really our breaching event back into this wave. So we know the direction we are headed and it is a place we have been before. We also know that we are only one wave away from it.

    The light’s turn off and the man walks off the stage…



    The logic of all our mass and electrical qualities brings us no closer to understanding who we are, or where we are. There is a brutal quality to our survival in this Universe. Mass seems to be very fragile and quickly changing by fire, ice, or electrical discharges that could indiscriminately vaporize planets in its wake.

    So I am thinking here…perhaps it’s not about us… Perhaps its what happens in a Wave.

    Glenn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn B. Wheaton View Post
    Aloha Dave,

    I understand what you mean here and it could well be as you laid out but perhaps we could expand a bit (like the Universe). Let’s step back away from consciousness and consider the Universe unobserved. The sheer scope of the Universe must infinitesimally exceed any consciousness that arises within it so surely consciousness must be an anomaly unless it is a true dimension. I am not on my “Consciousness is a Dimension” soapbox by the way. I say that consciousness is an anomaly because it would not need space or mass per se to exist. So we direct ourselves back to the vastness of the Universe and all of it physicals. Because the amount of mass in the Universe would still be very small in relationship to the space that is infinitely available this Universe is all about the space and not the mass or consciousness.

    Given that all matter in this Universe is part of a single event the possibility of some holographic quality is very real. Space would more than likely be holographically inert with no references because of infinity. In regards to the mass; holographic qualities would be limited to the original holographic structure unless the holography evolved with its mass keeping only references to its most recent state. In theory you would be able to examine a meteorite and recover its origin from its holographic residue.

    I want you to imagine a man in a white coat with very thick glasses speaking at a microphone.

    Hello everyone…bla bla bla … I am Dr. So and So and I have recently discovered that the Universe….. is actually a Wave. Albeit a very big wave we are moving very quickly and there is another wave in front of us and more than likely another wave behind us. I know that there is someplace that we are going because all the mass in our wave came from our destination in the future. Mass is the residue of the cataclysmic collision of waves at the point of destination which is carried back by reflected waves. Mass is achieved when space is compressed by incredible forces we currently do not understand. Because we are in a Wave and we are in fact traveling we must be traveling through a medium which we know nothing about. This medium must be a MasterVerse that is frankly ….less than Space.

    As we get closer to our destination we will begin to see more mass in our wave. The wave in front of us will arrive at its point of resistance or destination and begin to backwash towards us. Even then it will take hundreds of thousands of years before we see the first galaxies heading towards us. Our only protection will be our space and the odds and chance that we will be missed. What we thought was the Big Bang was really our breaching event back into this wave. So we know the direction we are headed and it is a place we have been before. We also know that we are only one wave away from it.

    The light’s turn off and the man walks off the stage…



    The logic of all our mass and electrical qualities brings us no closer to understanding who we are, or where we are. There is a brutal quality to our survival in this Universe. Mass seems to be very fragile and quickly changing by fire, ice, or electrical discharges that could indiscriminately vaporize planets in its wake.

    So I am thinking here…perhaps it’s not about us… Perhaps its what happens in a Wave.

    Glenn
    This is a very non-linear response to this thread, but it's funny how things become full circle. I started in with meditation years and years ago over what could be defined as a crisis of faith. Not so much a crisis, but a need for 'the answer'. That would start my journey through what is now called remote viewing; but I would jump on the science ladder along the way to avoid the 'new age' labels that came with that time frame. But, as I write this today, I feel like life after death is all about how well we 'resonate' with the universe.

    I don't want to turn this into a theological discussion...I just want to state that more and more I think that as human beings, we are seeking that perfect state...and that perfect state may well be a state of vibration.

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    This may or may not be related but you all might want to read the book "The Spirit Molecule." It's about a not so new drug that has the ability to propel one into some very interesting wave/demensions. The book reminds me a lot of Dr. John Lilly's book, The Center of The Cyclone.
    Robert

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    Default Why a holographic model

    Glenn's and Michelle's and Robert's perspectives about what we're really doing are really important. I'm continuing along the mechanistic aspect for a few posts while I work through them to develop a response that is worthwhile.

    The reason that I’m offering a holographic model for discussion isn’t to pit it against quantum mechanics or traditional wave theory. The idea of this model is to present a system of something that is easier for some of us to comprehend and predict behavior from than mathematical wave mechanics or quantum theory. For people who work with visual remote viewing, some of the things we see experientially and the way that they appear have counterparts in holograms.

    The wave aspect of our reality has been a consensus concept since people accepted the interchange between identities of energy and mass; the e=mc^2 idea. I think that the Copenhagen Interpretation of wave-particle duality may be misinterpreted as "sometimes waves, sometimes particles” but should be “always waves, may be perceived as particles for counting convenience”. If you see the universe as always waves that may be focused into objectivity like light coming into focus through a magnifying glass, the mysteries deferred in quantum phenomena discussions – aren’t mysterious at all.

    Just as perceiving objective particles has helped people understand and predict properties of things of their world, holograms provide something that we can manipulate with our hands and minds that help people understand the connected, underlying architecture of the world.

    This holographic modeling approach doesn’t say that the world is illusory or that you can’t fire particles at sensor plates or that we’re all waved out across a 2D surface. It doesn’t deny that “entanglement” happens … but it does describe the concept with the language of “cross modulation” vs. strings and knots and such.

    Holograms are a derivative of wave-field thinking. If you take a 2D cross section of a wave field, you get a hologram. A hologram is a subset, a “picture” of the wave field. The idea is that if you look at a collection of things that holograms can do, it will tell you about the way that less visualizable wave fields work.

    What holograms aren’t

    The terms hologram , holograph, holography, and such as used here originated with wave reconstruction systems and:

    - aren’t related to 3D projection systems with lenses and mirrors;

    - aren’t projections of 2D slides over 3D objects;

    - aren’t related to 3D movies, TV, shutter glasses, red/blue anaglyphs, View Master views, prismatic post cards and signs, or other 3D systems that involve “stereo” recombination; and

    - aren’t related to random dot stereograms and their derivatives such as the “Magic Eye ™” posters.

    Mass produced white light holograms seen in wrapping paper and decorations, gracing our credit cards, attached to magazines, cereal boxes, embossed in candy bars, and so on –are- true holograms, but because of various properties that make them interesting commercially, they generally don’t demonstrate holograms’ more interesting non-local, pattern filtering, and unusual space defining characteristics that pertain to this discussion.

    The holograms that I’m talking about want to be Portable Holes.

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    Default A Hologram As A Window

    Most display holograms today are white light projection holograms. These holograms are created in such a way that a curved mirror projects a 3D image in front of the plane of the image or centered on the plane of the image, but the typical characteristic is that the projection is smaller than the photographic substrate.

    When holography was mostly a laboratory curiosity, the common examples were “transmission” holograms. These were formed so that you looked through them to see objects much like looking through a little store window. While the objects on display were mostly visible “in the spotlight”, if you moved around carefully and looked off into the darkness, you could see a bigger world wherever the optics scattered bits of light to mix as the interference pattern on the film. The little window was a portal to a world as far as its contained light would let you see. (When you see yourself in a mirror, you can move around and see off into the 3D world of the looking glass – imagine this ability snapped as a photo.)

    The following links demonstrate spaces and objects defined by light wave reconstruction. There is no “distance” involved. Objects are perceived relationally.

    The Looking Glass is an example of a familiar kind of commercial hologram that is a little bit projection and a little bit window. This example is a stepping off place.

    The Looking Glass

    The visual experience of a transmission hologram is akin to “The Hole Idea” Looney Tune from the ‘50’s or the Sea of Holes visited in the Yellow Submarine. The non-local characteristic of wave reconstruction is apparent if you look through a keyhole-sized space of the plane… and see what you would see in the distance if you were looking through a hole.

    Portable Holes

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    Default Holograms and the RV Visual Experience

    In the late 70s and early 80s, I set up a primitive optical bench and tried to make holograms to demonstrate a catalog of interesting properties.
    The techniques to make photographic holograms have always been pretty demanding and at the time, the requirements for isolation from physical vibration, special ultra high resolution photo media, manual chemical processing, special optics, and stable lasers kept many people from getting involved. I cobbled together enough material and makeshift equipment to make a collection of crappy holograms.

    The process of making crappy holograms was similar to the process of making high quality holograms but succeeded in direct proportion to inexperience and equipment marginality.

    To make a hologram, using parts situated on a big heavy table, you would shine a laser through a microscope lens to spread its beam out to be more like a flashlight beam. The wider beam passed through a piece of thick plate glass so that part reflected off the front of the glass and part reflected off the back of the glass to make two expanding beams. Using a bunch of mirrors, one of the beams was directed at a piece of film and the other at a reflective target object near the film. The plain beam hitting the film directly would be the reference and the bumpy beam that bounced off the reflective target object before arriving at the film was called the object beam.

    Holographers with money had bright lasers, glass photo pates, and equipment that could be screwed down. Money-free holographers worked with dim lasers, flexible plastic film, and lenses and mirrors that were stabilized in sand or sat directly on the table top.

    The big difference in quality happened while trying to expose the film because the work of getting the photo media ready had to be done in absolute darkness. The poor man’s task in the dark involved getting a roll of film out of a container and cutting a suitable piece of film. Still in the dark, while holding the film by its edges, the emulsion side was determined, and the film was taped to a pane of glass. Still in the dark, it was necessary to hold perfectly still, barely breathing for several minutes while the system stabilized, then open a shutter to let the laser beam emerge -- all without touching anything.

    During the tenth of a second or so while the exposure occurred like a dim lightning flash, you could see where you had inadvertently moved lenses, mirrors, the target object, and taped the film at some weird angle. The disarray was captured in your memory as the interference pattern was captured on film. Black darkness returned.

    Back in darkness, you removed the tape from the film, carried it to a room with chemicals and processed it.

    There was room for error.

    When the chemicals had done their work, the lights could be turned on and the film dried. If all had gone well, you could see guinea hen feathery edges of an interference pattern extending from a darkened center section on the film.

    With the developed film in hand, you could see if the guinea hen feathers made a hologram or if you had jiggled something in the system during the exposure, even a hair-width, and the feathers were nothing.

    I could stop the description here and leave the impression that the process of making a hologram this way could be a metaphor for remote viewing. There’s art and care in getting ready, working in the dark without being able to tell exactly what you are doing, momentary flashes where things are visible, and to paraphrase a bit of Glenn’s wisdom, “sometimes you just get feathers”.

    … But the part of pioneering (i.e. crappy) holography that visual remote viewers would recognize came next. With the fresh film in hand, you had to put it into the reference beam again and find the hologram.

    ...

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    Default RV and Finding the Hologram

    Holograms created to be illuminated with a plane of laser light rather than white light are relatively picky about their position, forward-backward direction, and angular orientation in the illuminating beam. This aspect isn’t primitive but a side-effect of the purity and definition of the light source.

    After creating a planar hologram in the dark as described above, even when you were careful, you never knew if you had taped the film upside down, right-side up, sideways, or at some other angle in the 360 degree plane across the beam. After the “pinwheel” angle, the side-to-side, top-to-bottom, and every angle you can get by holding your wrist still and pointing a finger --could be in question. The forward-backward direction could be off.

    When everything else was right, the target object might not have been positioned as you expected.

    To –find- the target object in a window (transmission) hologram, you projected a diffuse laser beam through the window and moved it around with your hand while watching any shapes that could be seen shift and dance until they coalesced into what you were looking for. At that point, your hand-eye coordination locked them into place.

    If the hologram was flipped front to back relative to what it needed to be, the spaces were all inverted. This is not an optical illusion like a Neckar cube – the space really is inverted (a.k.a. pseudoscopic) so that far away things are close and close things appear to be far away. When the hologram was positioned this way, it looked like soup where the large target object was hard to perceive but all of its textures and other high spatial frequency components were relatively clear. When shifted about, the relative motions of the components were backwards to what they should have been.

    Flipped correctly forward to back, the general spaces were correct but any of the other angles might be off. Depending on their internal organization, this made certain components appear and disappear.

    Like light shining on a lake, reflective objects were helpful for orienting the scene. Such reflections are bright and shift naturally with perspective. For example, if you were expecting to see a shiny object laid out like a lake, you automatically knew when up was right.

    When the general spaces locked into place, you would get a feeling akin to locking in your balance while riding a bicycle. At that point, a scene of the table could be visible but the target object might be almost out of view. You knew that you had found the target but if you handed the hologram to a friend to see, unless they were adept at the same movements, the friend might never find it.

    Here are two examples of what this hologram finding process is like. Please be aware that holograms don’t translate to web video as well as they might because they lose high spatial frequency components to compression.

    A Pseudoscopic Unicorn

    Hunting for Reindeer

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  10. Default Aloha Dave...

    Aloha Dave,

    I liked the videos and a great deal is implied by them. I want to ramble a bit if you don’t mind about the things that should be possible based on what you have presented so far. I think you are hinting about a collapse of Space/Time. While there is Space/Time component it would be only a very small consideration. I would love to see a Fourier analysis of one of your film records. It would be reasonable (but not scientific) to consider that the entire environment was captured along with Rudolf including yourself. Not really because you wanted to but, because there must be phase considerations to the environment that you captured. Rambling on I would state that magnetic media from historic events will be used in the future to extract holographic environments as well as the sound or video format of the original broadcast. You would be able to finally look at the grassy knoll on that infamous day.

    This would extrapolate further to include recovery of holographic environments from surfaces like glass and liquids, but I am leaning out there on that. It is starting to sound very Haarpy lol. I would also love to shoot your film through some type of modified MRI that would let you split off sections to be re-synthesized into new holograms. Boy that would cost a few pennies.

    Anyway really late here just now, so more tomorrow.

    Glenn

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